Another Day At City Beat
Cecile du Bois writes:
Cathy Seipp replies to her daughter: "I was thinking of you at the ever more alienating TV press tour today, and how lucky I am not to have one of those ordinary daughters like most people do. I find other daughters duller. Matt and Emmanuelle are still not blogging ENOUGH, and so we are left with nothing to read but Luke and his broomsticks."
Rape Story Too Graphic?
Cathy Seipp writes:
Randy writes from Utah:
Dave Deutsch writes:
Black Jews Asked To Pray Elsewhere
Rabbi Spooky of Congregation Pencil Neck, NY, who simply wants to defend the integrity of the institution of the Shabbos Goy, responds to Luke:
A Chat With Journalist Ivor Davis, Who Traveled With The Beatles
I meet journalist Ivor Davis at the hospitality suite for the film Mondays in the Sun at the Four Seasons Hotel in Beverly Hills on 7/22/03.
A pile of journalists wait to interview actor Javier Bardem.
Ivor is a short dapper Jew from Britain. We help ourselves to the free eats before finding a table in the corner. I ask him about notorious Australian tabloid journalist Steve Dunleavy, now a columnist for the New York Post.
Ivor: "I met him when he was covering the Mansons for one of the Australian papers. He was always a hell for leather guy, larger than life, almost a cliché of a journalist. He used to come to our house for dinner and drink a lot. We said, 'You're not driving home.' We'd put him in a cab and send him back to his hotel.
"The Manson case had broken. I had some good interview material with some manson members. I was working for The London Daily Express. I was their correspondent on the West Coast. Steve said to me, 'I hear you've rented a plane to fly off to Independence, California, for the arraignment of Manson. If I pay my share, would you take me along?" I said fine.
"We got on the plane. Because England was eight hours ahead, I had filed a four-page story, setting it all up, with great quotes. Steve said, 'Could I have a look at your story, Ivor?' I said sure. We land. He had my story. We went into the little terminal. He was on the phone reading my story to his desk. 'I did this and he told me.' He just ripped the whole thing off.
"I never saw him write anything on the trip. He just read other people's copy. That was the way he was.
"When you do a website, is it a lucrative venture?"
Luke: "Lukeford.net is a labor of love but it opens up lucrative opportunities.
"Could you give me a brief biographical sketch?"
Ivor: "I was a reporter at age 16. In those days in England, you could become a cub reporter. I worked for a few papers. I used to do freelancing for the British dailies. There were a lot more of them then. I grew up in the East End of London. My father was a Polish baker. My mother grew up in England. We were a working class Jewish family. I was Bar Mitzvahed. My family kept kosher. We went to an Orthodox synagogue. I played soccer for the Association of Jewish Youth teams. I played for England in the Maccabee Game (a worldwide Jewish sporting competition). We won gold medals. When I came to America, I played for America in the Maccabee Games. We didn't win gold medals. I played soccer for about 30 years.
"I was a freelance journalist working here for Reuters and the London Daily Express. In 1964, the Express editor called me up. 'There's a new pop group coming over, starting in San Francisco. They are on the road for 34 days. We've signed one of them to do a daily diary and you will be writing it. So get on a plane to San Francisco.' They were from Liverpool. I can't remember the name now. Oh, it was the Beatles.
"So I spent 35-days with the Beatles. It was an incredible trip. The Express obviously liked what I did. They hired me as a staff correspondent on the West Coast.
"I came to America at age 20, five days after John Kennedy was elected president, which was November 1960. I worked on daily newspapers in Santa Monica, San Gabriel Valley, San Diego. A year in each town. Then I came up here to work for Reuters and then for the Daily Express. I covered the ballerina Dame Margeaux Fontaine when her husband, Roberto Arias, was paralyzed by an assassin. We went back to Panama with them when he was ready to take his seat in parliament.
"I did earthquakes, disasters, stuff like that. All the pop groups and the movie stars and the Peter Sellers death. I worked for the Express from 1964-79. It eventually went tabloid. It used to have 50 foreign correspondents.
The Times of London hired me for 13 years. By that time, I had a family and I did not want to travel. Southern California is like heaven for a journalist.
"My wife Sally Ogle Davis (married Ivor in November of 1967) used to be a BBC anchor woman in Northern Ireland. We were editors at Los Angeles Magazine for 20 years. I did one of the first big stories on Robert Evans. She wrote for The New York Times Sunday Magazine. With a magazine piece, you could 5000-word and get your teeth into. Normally a newspaper story ran 750-words. Wherever I went as a foreign correspondent for the Express, they'd only want 450-words. It was frustrating and that's why I left.
"My wife and I have two kids. One lives in Fort Worth, Texas, with our new grandson, age two weeks, and the other one lives in Seattle with her baby.
"For the past few weeks, I've been coming to the TV Critics conference. I write columns for the LA Times and NY Times syndicate. I freelance stuff for magazines for England and Australia. I like it that I can pick and choose. Most of the stuff NBC has is not very good. I pick out a Charlie Sheen or Timothy Buttons, who's playing President Bush for Lionel Chetwynd's 9/11 project for Showtime. Chetwynd is a charming man. He'll give you the shirt off his back. He's very conservative. He got to spend an hour with President Bush.
"How did you get hooked into Cathy?"
Luke: "I've the hugest fan of her columns for years and then I met her through the LA Press Club. I took her to my Orthodox synagogue Friday night and had her sit behind the mehitza (partition)."
Ivor: "My wife and I have strong feelings about that. We're active in our Reform synagogue. We've been on the board. Last Thursday, we all took a bus to The Producers, which is outrageously funny."
Luke: "I hear you're working on a book about Jewish movies?"
Ivor: "Only because having written about them for so long, I felt the need. There isn't that much. There are websites with Jewish movies. There was a recent book by a critic in Texas about the top 50 Jewish movies. I've been talking to people about what is a Jewish movie and a lot of people gave me diverse answers. Is a Woody Allen film a Jewish movie? Is Schindler's List a Jewish movie? Is The Man Who Captured Eichman A Jewish Movie? Are Israeli or Yiddish films Jewish movies? A lot of people said My Big Fat Greek Wedding is a Jewish movie.
"My younger brother Barry, a retired history professor, happens to be one of the preeminent Yiddish experts in London. He teaches at YIVO (Yiddishe Vissenschaftliche Organizatzia). He was hired by the Prudential Insurance company in London to evaluate Jewish insurance claims that were never paid off due to the Holocaust. So as a PR gesture, Prudential said they would pay off if it could be proved the policies were legit."
I examine Ivor's religious bonafides.
Luke: "Did you have separate seating for men and women in your childhood synagogue?"
Ivor: "Yes, but when I go now, I prefer to sit with my wife. My wife grew up in an Orthodox community in Northern Ireland, which is pretty much dead. She said they all went on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and the ladies sat upstairs and they didn't get books."
Why would ladies need prayer books? They're not required to pray, only men are. Women are in shul to gossip and to rest between reproducing.
Ivor: "I went to a Bar Mitzvah last October in an Orthodox shul and the women were out of it. I'm sorry. I just felt terrible."
Luke: "They're gossiping. They're happy that way."
Ivor: "That's what used to happen in Northern Ireland. They'd sit around in their new hats and gossip."
Luke: "That's what God wants."
Ivor, with a smile: "Oh, well, of course.
"When I was growing up, the rabbi used to bash you over the head and pull your hair. I went back two years ago and took some pictures of the shul and two guys came running out. 'Why are you taking pictures?' They were paranoid about security. I said I was Bar Mitzvahed in this place. We kept kosher. I used to take the chicken to the shochet (slaughterer). All that stuff."
Luke: "How far you've fallen."
Ivor: "We used to make our own wine at Pesach. We'd get sour cherries and put them in the bath. Only problem is you couldn't take a bath for about two months."
That's no problem for an Englishman. That's normal practice.
Ivor: "You'd put sugar in the top and let it ferment. And three months later, you'd start putting it into bottles."
We return from fetish state of the unwashed English to Ivor's book.
Ivor: "I want it to be encyclopedic but that always conjures up visions of boredom. My wife has been working on a book for sometime that I am not allowed to tell you about. It's about an interesting woman in Southern California who's been all over the world."
Luke: "What are you picking up about how Hollywood is reacting to the Mel Gibson film The Passion?"
Ivor: "People say the guy is crazy. He's doing the film in Aramaic, who's going to see it? Warner Brothers may distribute it to keep Mel in the camp. If you read The New York Times Sunday Magazine, you read a major movie star's father coming out with the craziest things. In Mel's drinking days, he'd say, my father is the most influential person in my life. It's like the Hitler movie Max. There will be some interest. CBS did Hitler with Robert Carlisle. Who's going to see this film [The Passion]? It's purely an indulgence.
"Have you seen a religious film lately that's done all right?"
Luke thinks for a minute. "No.
"What are the biggest obstacles to you doing good entertainment journalism?"
Ivor: "Even the two major syndicates are only interested in stories about young people. They'll say, 'Do a profile of that girl in American Wedding or a piece on that young guy Orlando Bloom.' A lot of the magazines I send notes to about people I'm interviewing say, 'They are not out profile.' They skew to age 31 max. The stories I want to do and the stories that sell are different. When I get their magazines, I see who their audience is, and I said it's about time I quit.
"Covering all this showbiz stuff is pure candy floss. The stories I've enjoyed are a good murder, or a good profile piece on somebody. I get a kick out of investigative reporting. I'm a frustrated detective. I don't keep my clippings. I did a book before the Manson trial began and it's just vanished. I'd like to get out again with a new beginning.
"My wife and I tell journalism students that we run a sausage factory. We get the material and in our house, we make the sausage and sell them to people. After a while, you get tired of churning them out. You want to do something with more meat."
Luke: "What about dealing with publicists?"
Ivor: "I've had my battles. We were blacklisted by several publicists. About eight years ago, Sally and I did one of the ultimate pieces on Hollywood publicists called 'Flacks Fatale.' We blew the lid off all of these publicists.
"If my name came up for a junket after that, I'd get turned down about 20% because of that article. Publicists are now stronger than the studios because the publicists have the stars.
"At least PMK's Pat Kingsley is a person you can engage in dialogue. She sold her company to a big conglomerate."
Luke: "Has any publicist offered you sex or drugs to manipulate story?"
Ivor: "No. I missed all that excitement. I missed nubile young publicists throwing themselves at my feet. It's one of the things that I regret in my life that it never happened.
"It was different on the Beatles trip."
Luke: "A lot of women throwing themselves at you?"
Ivor: "Just for the purpose of getting to meet the Beatles."
Luke: "It wasn't you?"
Ivor: "No, even though I was younger and handsomer in those days."
Luke: "It wasn't your wonderful way with words?"
Ivor: "The first half dozen times, I thought it was my wonderful way with words. But then when I spoke with the other journalists, who didn't have as wonderful way with words as I did, I discovered it was normal course. That was about the only time that sex reared its ugly wonderful head."
Luke: "Was that the most wonderful time of your journalism career?"
Ivor: "I was much younger. I wish I had taken a camera. I wish I had taken notes. I wish I had kept my interviews. I just remember and I've written a couple of magazine articles since then. A lot of the photographers I was on the road with have brought out books of their pictures.
"I'm having a great time now. I'm looking forward to seeing my grandson again. I love my wife and we have a good time. We travel. We went to Australia and to Argentina and looked up the Jews of Argentina in December. It was a fascinating and sad situation. In Argentina, most of the middle class business people were Jews and they've been wiped out. It was sad to go to shul. There were non-Jews who came in at the end of the service and they gave 300 of them a free meal downstairs."
7/23: Ivor writes: "Dear Luke: The transcript seems fine. Just one important thing. My wife thinks I am much handsomer now than when I was young. So do what Martha stewart did with her phone messages--white it out. Just kidding, best regards ivor PS: I still like to sit with my wife in shul."
Disturbing Lessons Of Girth
Rape Victim Luke Ford
Mike Smith writes:
Luke replies: No. I could've been humiliated and violently abused in all the ways you say above but sexually, and my name would've been released. There are a ton of humiliating criminal things that can be done to one, and the accuser's name is still released.
It's horrible to be victimized violently, whether it is sexual or not. Not naming the accuser simply perpetuates and increases the stigma of rape. I've never argued that rape is not so bad but if you don't want people to know about it, then don't bring the charge.
Dave Deutsch writes:
Luke replies: I'm sorry if I have been too busy transcribing our interview, thinking about God, and davening with Rabbenu Tam as well as Rashi tefillin to respond to you before now.
If one of my friends walked into South Central Los Angeles alone and got robbed and mugged, I would certainly assign him some responsibility. We do assign responsibility to other crime victims. If I went into a bar and started an argument that led to me getting beaten up, I'd have to shoulder some responsibility.
Luke says: I've never suggested that a rape victim bears moral sin for tempting a man or stepping into his room. I've said it is unwise and irresponsible of her.
Lori Dunn writes on OJR.org forum:
Retraction & Apology To Marty Singer
Luke Ford, and everyone associated with lukeford.net, offer their sincere apologies to Martin Singer for our inexcusable conduct in posting false information, accusations and implications directed towards Mr. Singer. The true facts are that Mr. Singer is not in anyway connected with or involved in the Grand Jury investigation concerning Mr. Pellicano. Mr. Singer has not been subpoenaed by the Grand Jury, and has not retained the services of any criminal attorney. Mr. Singer is a highly regarded and respected member of the California State Bar, whose ethical conduct has been beyond reproach, and we apologize for any statements and implications to the contrary.
Releasing Name of Bryant's Accuser Stirs Debate on Online Standards
Kevin Roderick replies on LA Observed from the Olympian heights of a former Los Angeles Timeser who believes in sanitizing the news:
Notice how Kevin tweaks others for their lack of ethics, scoffs at outrageous claims, deigns to comment only five times, waits to take positions on the weighty questions bandied about by his inferiors, and then makes his early and gracious exit from the frothing rage while poor ol' Luke wanks, fantasizes nonsense, and debates like a fanatic.
Girls Play Here
Strolling by my park, I saw this black banner:
That's stupid. Males are more physically aggressive than females and hence have a greater need for sports.
Lets Talk About Race and Rape
I was having dinner the other night with a liberal female Jewish prosecutor. She agreed that the accuser in a sex crimes should be named along with the accused.
Then I followed up on more dangerous ground, which I thought long and hard about putting on my site: "Women need to be more responsible. You don't go alone to a man's room unless you're up to having sex, particularly not to a young black male athlete's room."
Let's be honest. You wouldn't want your daughter in America today walking alone and unarmed through an area filled with young black men.
Sports Illustrated ran a devastating article a couple of years ago about the irresponsible sexual behavior of pro basketball players.
Few white men find dark-skinned black women erotically attractive. Few white men rape black women.
Black men love their white women and tend to be as happy as a German in Paris. Thus there are thousands of cases of black men being convicted each year of raping white women.
The illegitimacy rape among blacks is about 80%, among white it is about 30%.
Parts of black culture, such as much of the rap culture, celebrate violence and rape. About a quarter of black men Kobe Bryant's age have been to prison. Yet I'm sure that many white parents would hesitate to warn their daughters about black men.
Of course there are tens of thousands of wonderful law-abiding God-fearing black men and a higher number of vicious criminal white men but we have to face the painful statistics.
A New York Liberal Writes about the Plight Of Black Women:
Dave Deutsch responds:
Dave Deutsch replies:
Dave Deutsch Sets Us Straight
Dave Deutsch writes: As usual, when Chaim Amalek discusses race (which is about all he discusses), he gets it wrong.
The preference of men for lighter skinned women is well documented? That's fascinating. Where does he think these lighter skinned black women came from? Does he imagine that they simply bleached over the course of time? Somehow, despite this "well documented preference," countless white men schtupped black women throughout American history. Many of these were men who had white wives, and/or access to other white women (should we presume that Thomas Jefferson couldn't have found a white woman to sleep with him had he desired to?) While it may not be "well documented," there's not shortage of evidence for it--the light skinned black women he mentions are ample enough evidence. But if he wants documentation, there are certainly plenty of slave narratives that discuss it. Also, in New Orleans, there were a number of elite brothels staffed entirely by light skinned women who catered exclusively to an elite white clientele, and many accounts of the black urban demimonde (I'd recommend Iceberg Slim's books--start with Pimp) discuss the white men who would furtively enter the ghetto for sex with black prostitutes--again, many of them married, and who would have access to white prostitutes if they so desired.
Amalek's discussion, as usual, also leaves out any context, thus reinforcing the stereotype of black man having a voracious appetite for white women (a stereotype that began, of course, at a time when white men in the south were committing frequent acts of rape against black women--about as textbook a case of projection as you can find). White women to many black men are, of course, a status symbol (like shiksas to Jews). They also represent a way of revenge (the ultimate grudgefuck, so to speak). Also, traditionally, in American culture, the standard of beauty has been to favor light skin over dark (just as there are plenty of Jewish men and women who believe blond hair and blue eyes are the ultimate beauty markers). Socially, there are also some things to consider--many visible upper class black men--like pro-athletes--move in a largely white world. Going to a largely white college, or being in a largely white business environment, they associate more frequently with whites, period (at the university of Wisconsin when I went there, I think the black student body was probably less than 2%, out of over 20,000 undergrads--so who else are the black athletes going to date?). Finally, if you want to look at it in simple evolutionary biological terms, one might argue that in American society, dark skinned men would naturally prefer light skinned women, simply because their offspring would have a better chance to survive and thrive (and during segregation, achieve the ultimate success of being able to pass).
Finally, there is simply the attraction of the exotic. The comment about men favoring light-skinned women is certainly not born out by the Jewish experience. While Jewish men in American media may depict Jewish women as shrill, unattractive harridans (great example of this can be found in "City Slickers," where the Daniel Stern character, emasculated by his obviously Jewish wife, finds redemption and masculinity with the blond haired, blue eyed shiksa--ironically played by the Jewish actress, Helen Slater), Jewish women have traditionally been viewed by non-Jewish men as being beautiful, alluring and exotic. Aside from the famous fictional cases of beautiful Jewesses (Ivanhoe, Merchant of Venice), in Germany and Poland, where the Christian women are about as light-skinned as you can get, Jewish women were considered to be the bomb (watch the movie Shoah and catch the reminiscences of the Poles in the town of Chelmno--if memory serves, the men didn't miss the Jewish men, but they sure mourned the loss of the Jewish women). So much for the well documented preference.
The best part is that the very example that set Amalek off actually contradicts his point. Kobe Bryant's wife has an Anglo father and a Mexican mother--apparently, he wasn't aware of what his preferences were supposed to be. And so while Vanessa Lane is definitely not black, her mother (judging by here own coloring and features) is definitely not white.
As for the issue of naming rape victims, Luke, you are wrong. There is a difference between rape and other crimes, simply because of the very point you make to defend the practice--stigmatizing the victim. If somebody gets his car stolen, the worst people will say is that he's stupid. The worst a rape victim could face is (at least in some societies) being murdered in an honor killing. Even backing away from that extreme, there are plenty of people like you who will blame the woman, and, even if she isn't blamed, will see her as damaged goods. Rape, unlike car theft, is an attack against a person, not property. That in and of itself is sufficient to approach it differently. If anything, it probably falls under some sort of "loshon hora" guideline.
And your reference to "many" victims of rape being in part responsible is sufficiently vague enough to be meaningless. How many rapes occur because a woman went to a man's hotel room? Is that how most rapes occur? You know very well it isn't, so all you're doing is setting up a straw man. If you want to qualify things, then do so from the start--say "Those rapes in which x occurs..." Don't begin with a general statement about rape, and then use a fairly specific--and infrequent--example to support your argument. Women are raped in their homes, and parking garages, and parks--should women not park their cars, or walk in parks (parks, lets say, where there is no history of rape)? And what does "going to a hotel room" mean? There is going there at 2 AM after a night of drinking, and there's going there at 9 PM because the guy wants to change his shirt. If you're not going to have rachmones [mercy], at least have some seichel [wisdom].
Now, this is not to say that there is never a time to discuss the "victim." If, as in the case of Kobe Bryant, the alleged victim has engaged in behavior that casts considerable doubt on her allegations, it is a story. That doesn't mean that she sleeps around--it means that she makes comments suggesting that things didn't happen as she claims. If this women is going to be going around talking about how she had consensual sex with him, that is directly relevant to the case.
Naming a rape victim might not be loshon hora [evil speech]--might be rechilus [petty speech]. Check your al cheyts [prayer for forgiveness] at Yom Kippur--I'm pretty sure you'll find something. I would say (you know, as the ultimate arbiter of morality in our time) that it's something to be avoided as not being particularly menschlich [good person].
Anyway, this rape-victim thing is another point at which I often find cultural conservatives to be in need of a hypocrisy check. When Korean merchants in South-Central had their stores looted and burned out, I don't recall too many people saying "Well look, what do you expect? They open stores there, they get what they deserve. What did they think would happen?" or when a couple's house is robbed while on vacation "Well look, most robberies occur when the family is gone. If they didn't want to be robbed, why did they go on vacation?" No, in those cases, opponents of "moral relativism" will be firm--responsibility belongs to the criminal. But a woman gets raped, and suddenly, you have all kinds of questions being asked about her behavior. "Wait a minute, she went out with the guy, wearing a short dress? What did she think was going to happen?" Personal responsibility no longer rests with the criminal. Gosh, how could he have possibly acted otherwise, I mean, she was wearing a short dress and went home with him for a drink.
Now, to be sure, coming over for a drink is often a prelude. But it's not a signed contract. Maybe she comes over, thinking "this guy's pretty good looking," and gets into his bathroom, and finds his VD medication. Maybe she notices his collection of scat fetish magazines. Maybe she's creeped out by his constant references to the martyrdom of Jeffrey Dahmer. Maybe she just gets tired. Point is, going to a guys apartment, or even hotel room, is not a criminal action, and women who do it and get raped shouldn't be viewed as accessories, any more than guys who drive cabs late at night, or wear nice watches should be viewed as accessories if they get robbed. Those are not mitigating actions. The truth is that many, if not most, crime victims did something stupid, or careless, which, had they not done so. They parked in a bad spot, they forget to lock their bike wheel, they should have taken in the paper, etc. etc. Rape victims are no different in that regard, so arguing that they bear any greater responsibility for their victimization seems to me to be an untenable double standard, particularly since, as noted before, the repercussions of the crime are that much greater. Anyway, baby crying, gotta go.
Kobe's Kate Brags
From N.Y. Daily News: Kate Farber, the woman accusing Kobe Bryant of rape bragged about the alleged assault at a party last week - and gave a graphic description of the NBA star's anatomy, partygoers said.
Steve Evancho told NBC News that he was surprised when the 19-year-old woman showed up at his house party on July 15 - three days before prosecutors slapped Bryant with sex assault charges. "She was bragging about the whole thing," Evancho said, adding that the woman seemed "happy. She was having fun."
She even answered a question about the 6-foot-7 L.A. Lakers star's manhood, five people at the party told NBC. "She answered with a gesture and a description," said NBC correspondent Michelle Hofland. "They couldn't believe it."
From Media News about binaryreport.com:
Tom Leykis, who believes Kobe Bryant is innocent, is naming the NBA star's 19-year-old accuser on his drive-time program. "The arrogance and the gall of journalists to call up and say I'm violating her privacy," says Leykis. "I've never called her house or gone to her front door. If the reporters hadn't gone to Eagle and written these specific stories with all these friends and their last names, I wouldn't have been able to do it."
> Overholser: It's time we named the accused and the accuser (Poynter)
> Philly Inky editor says no-names policy may have outlived usefulness (PI)
> Cook: Kobe case separates respectable news sources from junk (Flak)
> Some websites have ID'd wrong woman as Bryant's accuser (Rocky MN)
> Kobe case has been "grossly overcovered," says Janensch (HartCourant)
Cameron Diaz wants to keep her breasts to herself
Nat writes: WHEN Hollywood actresses spend half their life competing to show as much flesh as they possibly can, why do they spend the other half trying to preserve their modesty?
This story is weird because there are already tons of nude photos of Cameron Diaz on the web.
From the New York Daily News:
XXX says: The National Enquirer ran a story a couple of weeks ago about Cameron Diaz taking some clothes off for pictures before she got famous. The DA's office and the LAPD went over to the place in Venice June 30 and took the photographer's doors off the hinges, that kind of thing. Diaz is represented by Lavelly and Singer. This photographer has a legit release for the pictures. He was just negotiating with her "security guy" for a sales price. They accuse him in an underhanded way of extortion. They're not going to file criminal charges. They got the cops involved to fix where the photographs are so that if they win in civil court, the photographs can be immediately had. The photographer can't flee the country with them.
Cameron's security guy is Avi Korein. He's an Israeli who's done a lot of work for Marty Singer. Avi has an office on Wilshire Boulevard in Beverly Hills. He's been credited for his work as a bouncer and security guard in many films.
Azindn writes: "If she doesn't want to be photographed naked, keep your clothes on. So, it must be she wants money. I'm always surprised at celebs who know they posed naked back when, and then act surprised or outraged when the photogs drag out their shots after the celeb has become a big name. It's a commodity culture and the celeb was selling their comoditities. In the US this kind of publicity is so typical. This society is so hung up on tits and nudity."
Rape is not comparable to other crimes
Jeffrey Lewis writes: Rape is not comparable to other crimes. It is vastly under reported compared to other crimes. Moreover, other crimes do not entail as much "victim blaming." For example, nobody tells a carjacking victim who drives a nice looking car that he/she was asking for trouble. Finally, the adverse consequences to any victim who falsely or truthfully reports a rape (via having a defense attorney question every aspect of the victim's life before, during and after the rape), is likely a big deterrence to not bring false accusations. Perhaps the answer lies in stiffer penalties for false rape accusations that are demonstrably made in bad faith?
Luke replies: I do not find these arguments convincing. So what if it is vastly under reported compared to other crimes? How reliable are those statistics? There's nothing wrong with learning from a bad experience and not making a criminal case out of it. So what if other crimes do not entail as much "victim blaming." Many "victims" of rape stupidly placed themselves in danger, and while not morally culpable for the evil that befell them, they do bear some responsibility. If you go to a guy's hotel room and you do not want to have sex, you're being stupid. The adverse consequences to someone bringing a false rape charge frequently will not equal the harm done to those falsely accused.
LA Observed Kvells Over Tim Rutten Column
Kevin Roderick of is happy to find his type of thoughtful responsible coverage of the Kobe affair in Wednesday's "On Media" LA Times piece by Tim Rutten.
Tim McGarry writes LA Observed: "I'm glad to see that he refuses to endorse the disturbing kind of stunt pulled by Tom Leykis and Luke Ford. Rutten's right, let the courts make the necessary decisions about the accuser's privacy, not tendentious media types pandering to the crowd. It is lack of media restraint that has generated much of the unfairness to both Bryant and his accuser."
Roger Simon writes LA Observed: "I am not unsympathetic to Luke Ford's views posted elsewhere on this site. Ford is more militant on this issue than I am (hey, he's younger!) but he sure has a point about things being tilted unfairly against Kobe."
Desi writes LA Observed: "How can you tell what his views are? He's told so many different stories now to justify his actions that I'm dizzy. The rants he makes up against L.A. Observed are just bizarre and make him sound like a nut case."
Should Online Journalists Be Held Accountable To The Same Ethical Standards As Regular Journalists?
I argue no.
Cathy Seipp says: "My answer would be, yes, online journalists should be held to the same standards as offline journalists. But it is a naive question, because of course offline journalists are not held to a single standard. Some mags and papers have factcheckers, some don't; Some use of anonymous sources, some don't. Etc. The one standard is that journalists will always call you "unethical" if you write something they don't like."
Khunrum writes: "Independent Online Journalists? There must be 6 trillion bloggers or sites out there covering every topic under the sun. Most don't collect a penny for their efforts. It seems like more of a vanity issue. Come now Luke, do you consider all these people Independent Online Journalists? I think a journalist must have some type of validity. Be working for a news organization. Maybe a stringer reporting the strife in Monrovia and getting shot at. Errol Flynn's son Sean who disappeared in the jungles of Laos covering the Vietnam War was a certified journalist/photographer. His news gathering under extreme conditions cost him his life. Most of the online "journalists" you mention are opinionated blowhards with too much time on their hands, eh! what?
"Separating the journalist from the ordinary every day blogger I have come up with a few guidelines. 1) You are a true journalist if you have received three or more threats on your person, such as (I will crack your scull in tiny pieces you Jew bastard) The type of threat Luke receives daily. (2) You are a true journalist if you have been seen running down Hollywood Blvd (past the Hustler Bldg.) the pissed off object of your published insults in hot pursuit. (3) You are a true journalist if you have been barred from every "set" in Tinsle Town (we won't mention what kind of set) (4)You may also be a bona fide jounalist if you use an alias in your writing such as D.U.C....S.U.V....D.D.T....M.B.A."
I got these questions from a columnist working on a story about the ethical issues around naming Kobe Bryant's accuser:
This is part of the Society of Professional Journalists' code, which applies to online journalists:
Deep Inside Cathy Seipp's Home
Cecile du Bois writes: "Mom can be so random and threatened if I ever engaged in inappropriate behaviour with a grown man at the age of fourteen, she would be pissed and obviously take away my blogging priveleges and other stuff I shant go into. I laughed myself to the point where I coughed so hard I couldn't breathe, and she was dead serious. God! She was in the same tone when she asked me a couple weeks ago if I were ever going to engage in sexual intercourse with a colleague at City Beat. "Hell No!" I replied, embarassed that she even had to think of such unorthodox acts I could be doing at such an innocent age. Besides, if I were to, who would it be with? My intern job is mainly filing ads of sorts in some chair for a few hours a day, and the youngest person there is 18 or twenty years old, and a woman. Now, could I be a lesbian? No, since I do have a crush on a teenage boy (fifteen or sixteen, I should say) at the moment I am looking forward to seeing again this fall."
Be sure to check out the current lineup of articles, especially those by the jews and homosexuals. In particular, note the contribution of Judith Levine. Is she the same Judith Levine who recently wrote a book about children and sexuality that was roundly condemned? Read her argument carefully, for it is one that we will be hearing more of as the rot continues.
L'Affaire Kobe Observed
Kevin Roderick has updated his site LA Observed about the Kobe affair. What does he choose to concentrate on? That three of her friends report her boasting at a party about banging Kobe and describing the length of his penis? No. Kevin concentrates on the nasty report that the accuser [Kate Farber] is receiving death threats.
Luke replies: Making death threats is evil. Receiving them is unpleasant. I know. I've received dozens of them over the years. Anyone who chooses to make himself a controversial public figure, including by such means as accusing a star of rape, is going to bring this on himself. I bet all controversial members of Congress, controversial writers, controversial talkshow hosts, get death threats.
If you never want to get a death threat, avoid infuriating people, and don't do things that will put you in the middle of a public maelstrom. I'm sure Monica Lewinksy got threats too.
Dave Robb, a journalist formerly with the Hollywood Reporter and Daily Variety, sent me several threats in early June, 2003, to inflict grievous bodily harm against me for things I've written about him and his pal Anita Busch.
Here's one excerpt from Dave: "I am going to come looking for you. And when I find you, I am going to put you in the hospital for a long time. I am going to beat you up so bad you will wish you were dead."
Roderick never mentioned this on his site. He made no indications that this bothered him. Nor should he have necessarily.
Unfortunately, death threats are routine. They are the inevitable consequence of threatening people, be it through writing critically or the filing of rape charges.
Roderick is placing this story at the top of his site because he wants to make a point about his views on journalistic ethics, not because he cares about death threats. If Kevin truly cared about death threats, he would've highlighted them on numerous other occasions because they happen every day.
Manager producer Jeff Wald phoned me 9/6/02 at 5:30 PM.
Elsewhere in my debate with Kevin, he wrote: "I opted not to send my readers to the anonymous, unsubstantiated site that posted what it alleged to be the woman's contact data."
Keen Insights From A New York Liberal
A New York Liberal (guess who!) Who Favors ZPG (zero population growth) and Who Marched in Selma Writes:
I just had a great idea. The government should give every one of the women (ages 18 - 38) of those peoples we don't need more of, free kittens to raise. Moreover, INS guards, posted at our frontiers with the third world, should hand each female a cat to care for on her way back to her dusky third world sewer.
[Khunrum writes: My Dear Amalek, in the countries I visit that cute little kitten would go right in the stew pot. That is no joke. My girlfriend's younger sister's plump six month old puppy made a nice Sunday din~din for unknown neighbors some months ago.]
The Kobe Bryant thing is not an issue to those who favor mechitzas between men and women in public life, or who do not approve of a white woman going to a black man's hotel room under any conceivable set of circumstances. And I mean that literally. Let us not mince words here. All of this relates to the issue of MISCEGENATION. Kobe and his betrayed white wife (she sure isn't black) are miscegenationists.
The core issue in need of discussion is this: is miscegenation a good thing or a bad thing? Considering just blacks and whites, there are four classes of people to consider:
1. Black Men. They can make out like bandits, as miscegenation provides them with a much larger pool of beautiful women to dip into.
2. White Women. They too gain, as miscegenation increases their choices. So, to the extent that they can further satisfy their lusts for the often well muscled and well endowed black man, white women benefit. (As an aside, I think Jewish women, in particular, should be even more open than they are to adding some Negro blood to the inbred jewish line for some good old fashioned hybrid vigor. Anyone familiar with the physical stock of men in Jewish yeshivas knows of what I speak.)
3. White Men. HATE IT, as it increases the competition they have for the women they want, since by and large white men DON'T desire black women. (The preference for men of all races for lighter skinned women is well documented. High status black men, for example, take lighter skinned black women as mates far more frequently than random chance would dictate. And before you start calling me a racist for writing this, blacks have written on this topic more than anyone else.) White men LOSE.
4. Black Women. This is the one group that suffers the most from miscegenation. While white women have the option of dating from among many fine white men OR the black men out there, black women do not have the option of dating white men. As noted above, most white men just are not interested in black women (what miscegenation white men do these days is with asian women). So every black man who passes over all the sisters for a white women dooms a black woman to a life without a man, which of course is very disadvantagious. And there are few enough black men for them to pick from as is (what with so many being ensnared in our prison system). BLACK WOMEN LOSE
What I wish our elites understood is that when Black Women as a group lose, society loses too. The children that the black woman bears are being raised without a husband around to help care for them, which increases the number of social pathologies in that population generation by generation. (Pat Moynihan wrote about this almost 40 years ago.) And when a black child is ill-raised for want of a father, he is more likely to become a black man who rapes white women, uses drugs, fires guns, and otherwise causes problems for the rest of us.
The key to success for black americans is a stable family structure, and miscegenation, by making the task of finding a husband that much more difficult for black women, undermines that structure.
In marrying a white woman, Kobe Bryant was being selfish. But nobody cares about the plight of the Black Woman except Luke Ford.
Is Kobe's 'Moral Bank Account' Overdrawn?
By STEVE ASCHBURNER on AOL:
A nationally syndicated talk-show host [Dennis Prager] -- one of the conservative voices, but one whose show is based in Los Angeles -- was talking about the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case Tuesday and pushing his concept of the "moral bank account" as his rationale for favoring Bryant's version of events rather than the accuser's.
[Baloney. Prager did not favor any version of the events.]
The idea being that all of Bryant's positive, uplifting, clean-living, family-honoring, God-fearing acts -- or yours or mine -- amass like a passbook balance, offering proof positive, literally, that someone has been a good person. Good people, the logic follows, generally are not prone to criminal acts, and so on, and so forth.
Mike Tyson, for instance, had no public balance in his moral bank account -- he was morally bankrupt -- at the point when he was accused of raping Desiree Washington. Thus, the radio host said, it was easy to believe that Tyson was guilty of the crime.
But Bryant, well, his single-minded pursuit of excellence, his dearth of tattoos, his refusal to cultivate a so-called street cred, his manners, his thoughtful answers in interviews and his knack for simultaneously seeming hip and unhip, built up a stash of moral currency worthy of Fort Knox.
EAGLE, Colo., July 22 — The 19-year-old woman [Kate Farber] who accused Kobe Bryant of sexually assaulting her attended a party just days before charges were filed against Bryant and appeared to be in a good mood and “bragging” about the incident, several teen-agers at the party told NBC News on Tuesday. Another friend told the Associated Press that the woman had “visible evidence” of the alleged attack a week later.