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Maximillian Leblovic De Lobkowicz's (DOB 11/8/43) daughter Danielle Cherie Leblovic (DOB 1/8/72) accuses him of sexually molesting her. He says he's innocent but he won't reenter the United States. He fled the US in the summer of 2001.

This story has been pitched to many reporters and none have wanted to touch it. Max had his assistant Robert Sterling, the author of a book and the Web site Konformist.com, pitch the LA Weekly (Debbie Vanken) and other outlets on the story in 2000. He wanted to defend himself from what he said were baseless charges.

Max told Robert that his daughter Danielle was a drug addict and she needed money and her whole story was a lie to blackmail him for money and for revenge for him no longer supporting her drug habit.

He said the LAPD wired her up and taped conversations with him and that the LAPD had admitted there was nothing incriminating on them.

Robert asked him to see the transcripts of the tapes.

"I had a sincere friendship with Max," says Robert August 23, 2004. "I thought it was unseemly how he talked about his daughter's drug addiction. He said she got hooked at age 12.

"I told people to investigate it for themselves. I wasn't look for any favors for me or him.

"I kept asking for these transcripts. I saw them the same day Susan saw them. Basically, he admitted to the whole thing on the tapes. He starts arguing with his daughter over when it happened. Was it 14, 15, or 16? Then he throws out this line, well, aside from you being my daughter, that sounds like a reasonable age of consent.

"Susan was devastated when she found out. Think Hillary Clinton times a thousand. That behavior is impossible to defend.

"The story that he ended up coming up with on his drunken ramble was that it happened on her 18th birthday. I don't have to tell you how ludicrous that sounds. 'Happy 18th birthday daughter. Let's f---.'

"I was there when all this was happening. I worked for Susan and Max for 18-months [until the end of 2002].

"When Max was indicted, I was there with Max. When I saw his daughter, I felt bad for her."

Max Leblovic is on tape with the LAPD admitting a sexual affair with his daughter Danielle. The LAPD wired Danielle and she met with him. He claimed the sex happened after she turned 18. She says it started around age ten.

For his last month in America, Max lived in hotel, avoiding arrest. In the summer of 2001, he fled overseas.

The last I knew Max was in France.

Dr. Susan Block has been married to Max for more than a decade. She knew he was fleeing the country and took part in the planning of his escape from the law.

Susan has not given birth to any children.

Danielle informed the police about her alleged molestation in January 2000 and a year later, the DA filed six charges against Max for sexually molesting a minor.

When I emailed Dr. Susan Block's office, I was told she was in Cannes, France until September 9, 2004, presumably with Max.

Susan inherited a lot of money. A former employee of Susan and Max tells me that Max's grand schemes dissipated much of her fortune.

Rob Eshman writes in the Jewish Journal July 18, 1997:

Dr. Susan Marilyn Block is a nice Jewish girl, who talks about sex on late-night cable TV. Raised in Philadelphia, bat mitzvahed and confirmed at Temple Har Zion, she credits Rabbi Gerald Wolpe and Rabbi Ivan Caine of Society Hill Synagogue with inspiring her to convey serious topics theatrically, and to think critically. Her "Dr. Susan Block Show," which has inspired an Internet site (www.drsusanblock.com), a book ("The Ten Commandments of Pleasure") and two HBO specials, combines elements of both. As Block, who has her doctorate in philosophy, vamps suggestively, she answers callers' questions on sexual issues.

Hazzan Keith Miller from Kehillat Ma'arav (C)in Santa Monica writes:

"It is a sad day in Jewish journalism when the Journal profiles a woman who soft-pedals pornography on cable access television ("From Esther to... Dr. Suzy?" July 18). For Robert Eshman to call Dr. Susan Block, "a nice Jewish girl from a dedicated Conservative Jewish upbringing," undermines the values that my movement, and dare I say, all of Judaism, holds to be holy. Being Jewish is more than coincidentally being born Jewish, and it is more than going to Hebrew school. It is thinking like a Jew and, much more importantly, acting like a Jew. Block does neither, and Eshman, along with his editors, act irresponsibly when they publish this type of drivel."

The Case Against Susan Block's Husband Max Leblovic

With criminal charges pending, Max Leblovic, Susan's husband, fled the US in the summer of 2001 and did not return for years.

Here's why: Case No. LA037197. California vs Maximillian Rudolf Lobkowicz aka Maximillian Leblovic.

Felony complaint for arrest warrant. Six counts.

According to papers filed by the prosecutor:

On and between October 1, 1983 and January 31, 1984, in the County of Los Angeles, the crime of LEWD ACT UPON A CHILD, in violation of PENAL CODE SECTION 288(a), a Felony, was committed by Maximillian Rudolf Lobkowicz, who did willfully, unlawfully, and lewdly commit a lewd and lascivious act upon and with the body and certain parts and members thereof of Danielle L., a child under fourteen years, with the intent of arousing, appealing to, and gratifying the lust, passions, and sexual desires of the said defendant(s) and said child.

There is independent evidence that clearly and convincingly corroborates the victim's allegation, to wit, audio tape of defendant's admissions of allegation.

From LAPD-taped calls between Danielle and her daddy Max:

D: "Most of the schools [in LA] are Mexican. And so she's [Danielle's daughter] actually kind of lucky in the majority of her school's white.

"There's a school about four blocks away and it's all Mexican. Thank you.

"I'm just trying to understand... I have kids of my own now. If anyone touched my kids in that way, I would kill them. I need to understand, maybe where you were. Were you going through a lot..."

M: "Unless I have lost my memories, I never touched you. I may have held you. I may have spanked you.

"You know what I do for a living?"

D: "Yeah."

M: "I have been doing it for years. I've been talking to a lot of colleges and universities...and human sexuality classes. And the other thing that I'm terribly known for is that I struggled to bring down the age of consent. Like for example in Utah and other states...and to do that because yes, there's child rape. Even though the Jewish religion...

"Who's doing this whole thing with Annie [Sprinkle]?

"I had my first sexual experience very early too. And then he [Max's friend Willem de Ridder] got involved with Annie, so..it was her fault... Annie's house and...climb all over her, knocking."

John Heidenry writes in his book What Wild Ecstasy: "de Ridder was the European intellectual/sexual anarchist impresario par excellence. A charter member of the Organization for the Elimination of Time and Space, which refused to recognize the conventional limits set by dates, appointments, deadlines, pressures, and assorted social responsibilities, the bearded, macrobiotic Dutchman preferred instead to place a premium on the seemingly unending inspirations of the moment."

De Ridder and his business partner Max Leblovic published the magazines Finger, Suck, Love and planned one called God.

"One day Mickey phoned de Ridder and said he had just found the most incredible porn star, Annie Sprinkle..." (pg. 146)

"Both the Leblovics and de Ridder were booked on charges of sodomy, violating state law on child pornography -- on the unfounded assumption that the Leblovics' two children [including Danielle] were involved... Leblovic's children [Danielle and Michael] were seized by child welfare officials." (pg. 158)

D: "Annie and I fooled around Willem."

M: "I'm not totally against that. In Costa Rica they masturbate the child before they put the child to bed. They play with the genitals to make them...feel good, to relax them. And that's the case in primitive tribes.

"I'm an absolute advocate of having that knowledge, in teaching children. Susan's show is probably the best watched show in Los Angeles for kids.

"I've got kids who are now 20 some odd years old. They'll be watching the show when they were little toddlers...and we had like these young kids came up and they were going, oh, hi... I said, what are you doing here? He says, we watched the show. They must have been 14. I said, how long have you been watching the show? They all kinda like, well, since I was about eight.

"One of the kids told me that he can't stay up to watch it, so his parents tape it for me so that he could watch it. He must've been 11."

D: "What is the show like?"

M: "We have rabbis on there. We have professors. We have porn stars. It was just very sexy. Susan dresses in lingerie. Some...take off their tops.

"She'll talk about anything, unlike most radio or television shows. If somebody says, I'm humping my dog, she'll say, oh, really, what kind of dog do you have? Oh, he's a German Shepherd. Did the dog consent? Could be animal cruelty.

"Including we talk to kids. If a kid calls up and they're ten years old or they're eight years or they're 14, we talk to them.

"I wish that when I was a kid, I started earlier.

"I thought that Annie and [Willem] were very gentle, sweet.

"You really demanded your rights. I mean, screaming and yelling..."

M: "So one of the years that I would have...equalized them. Allow you to have the experience that Michael was having. I didn't see it as a bad thing."

D: "I think in the stigma that you're my dad is what... I know you didn't try and hurt me, you weren't doing it in a bad way. But I just couldn't imagine doing that to my kids at all. I'm trying to understand."

M: "One of the things was that you really don't... That's not to relieve me of any blame... It's very common. I should also prepare children to understand sex earlier.

"I opened up all doors to all possibilities within a framework of love, within a framework of trying to understand what was going on. One of the things the children grow up by is touch."

D: "I look back at Italy and I can't believe that Anne did that and Willem did... It doesn't bother me as much as what we did."

M: "It was an era of free love and it was an area of revolution, everything we did had to do with love and freedom and expression and feelings and touching and there were whole groups, the babies were passed around... and held and massaged. It may have not been great, but I'm not in my parents' category either, because they bombed children. They napalmed children. I might have f-cked up somewhat, but I never killed. I'm a real peacenik.

"My uncle...when he was a child by the governess. He got caught masturbating and so she came in and just spanked him so hard. The guy grew up and he couldn't come unless somebody came in and spanked him.

"I still think that as the years go on, as terrible as the experience might have been, and it may have hurt you later...it may also help you in some ways.

"See, the problem with the guys that took you away in Rhode Island..."

D: "Do you remember when I was 12 we used to go to the apartment on Woodman?"

M: "Yes."

D: "Now, you remember those incidences?"

M: "Yes. I remember those instances."

D: "Do you remember what happened?"

M: "Kind of.

"I remember when you told the story of three blowjobs [to Michael's friends]."

D: "That was in Italy."

M: "At Nans's, there was no privacy ever.We moved to Woodman [may have Hatteras]. Now on Woodman, not every night..."

D: "Duran Duran [hit group 1983-84]."

M: "Duran Duran. I used to come into your room and, as I remember, massage you all over. I would have no guilt, like massaging or touching your tushie, or rubbing your pussy, any of that. Or rubbing your legs. At that point, I'd lay down with you."

D: "Not at that point, no."

M: "I didn't penetrate you."

D: "No."

M: "Remember an accusation that Michael made that I was buying you guys drugs. I bought beer for you once in a while.

"When I came out of prison, I may have massages very sexually 'case in essence, that's what massage is about, to make you feel... I thought I was always careful not to go beyond certain limits."

D: "There were several instances at Ellen's [Mickey's wife at the time], I used to come over all the time, we'd get drunk and have sex."

M: "I remember there was the one night we got drunk and maybe it happened more... We got drunk and we were sittin' and laughing and so forth and at a certain point you said to me, "Do you want head?" And so you gave me a blowjob. I remember that vividly."

D: "Remember and mom [Ellen] kicked me out and I went and slept at your house that night...and that's when we had sex that night."

M: "And that was the first time?"

D: "I don't know."

M: "No. Because I remember the first time. You were... The first time was in your bedroom, the small bedroom to the side and we'd go sitting at the edge of the bed. At the penthouse. The one you used to come to. Gorham."

D: "I know that the first time..."

M: "We had sex."

D: "Which time was that?"

M: "I got you that place one bedroom studio place. You were either 15 or 16.

"Now aside from you being my daughter, to me that's not a bad age of consent.

"There are two way streets. I never thought of you as..."

D: "I wanted your attention and that was the only way that we had any closeness. I did consent to it, to all the things we did. You're my dad and I wanted to make you happy."

M: "You had a lot of parents. It was very communal."

Max's daughter Danielle Cherie Leblovic said the molestation began at 16012 Moorpark St. #201, in Encino, CA.

Salinas Police Department. Officer Ono Solis writes:

On 5-30-00, I was contacted by Detective Nelson [DOB 1/8/72] of the Los Angeles Police Department regarding this case. Detective Nelson advised me that she was looking into this case as it appears that the offenses alleged by the victim in this case, Danielle Leblovic, occurred within the jurisdiction of the LAPD.

Detective Nelson...asked if I could arrange for the victim in this case to make pretext phone calls to the suspect...Maximillian Leblovic [DOB 11/8/43].

On 8-24-00, I met with Danielle at her residence to conduct the first pretext phone call. Danielle...attempted to talk to Maximillian about some of the sexual relationships that they had when she was a child.

Maximillian did not admit having sexual relationships with Danielle, however he did talk about an incident where he said he was a victim of being sexually abused when he was a youngster. Maximillian went on to tell Danielle that...he was sexually abused by a high ranking member of the military.

Maximillian went on to tell Danielle that he wanted to tell her how he felt about this situation. He went on to state that he was actually "proud" that this high ranking military official chose him over some other child to perform the sex acts on.

Salinas PD officer Tiburcio Gomez writes:

I responded to the front lobby of the Police Department to contact the victim [Danielle] Leblovic...[who] indicated that while growing up she had been molested by her father, Maximillian Leblovic de Lobkowicz. She indicated that initially she had been molested at the family home which was in the Los Angeles area [16012 Moorpark St. #201, in Encino]... This initial molestation had occurred to her by a friend of her father's. She advised that when she reported the incident to her father, that her father indicated to her that it was OK, that it was nothing wrong, and that she should forget about it.

A few years later her father was apparently arrested and sent to prison on pornography charges. She indicated that apparently he was publishing a pornographic magazine at the time, and that he had used underage models who posed for nude pictures and was set to publish them in the magazine when he was arrested by the police. He was subsequently sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Leblovic indicated that her father got out of prison when she was 10 years old. It was at that point that the molestation began on her. She indicated that shortly after having gotten out of prison that he, along with her mother, herself, and her older brother, had moved in with her grandparents. She advised that her father had only been out of prison a short time when he called her into the bedroom, and began to fondle her...had her perform oral sex on him. She indicated that he ...would "eat her out" also.

Leblovic indicated that by this time she had been made aware that this was inappropriate behavior, and informed her father of this. He, however, told her that the American public "did not understand." He told her that this was acceptable behavior in many countries, and that it was just the American's attitude towards sex that cause them to try to make this a bad thing. He also indicated to her that this was just a form of affection, to show how much they loved each other.

Leblovic [said] that this type of occurrence continued...on almost a daily basis. Due to her fear that her father harming her if she told anyone she did not report this.

When she was 11, they moved to a separate residence away from their grandparents. Her father had less time to spend alone with her and the sexual activity slowed down to once or twice a week. It continued to be the same, no actual penetration on his part, just her performing oral sex on him, and him performing oral sex on her.

A short time later, when she was approximately 12 to 13 years of age, her father began to have sexual intercourse with her...once or twice a week.

During one of their sexual encounters, her stepmom Ellen Leblovic walked in. A large argument ensued. Ellen broke a vase over Max's head.

After this, Max took Danielle on trips. Most of their sex occurred in hotel rooms.

She started running away from home. The last time they had sex was when she was 17.

She returned to LA at 19. Her father immediately tried contacting her and telling her that they should get together and talk about old times and that they should reacquaint themselves. She told him she would not meet with him.

She said her father produced sexual shomes for the Home Box Office network.

Luke on Dr. Susan Block Show

On Saturday night, August 21, 1999, Luke appeared on the Dr. Susan Block TV show. Here are some excerpts, many ripped out of context:

Suzy: I'm in my big brass bed with adult industry provocateur Luke Ford... And we received a few threats tonight... people who wanted to come down here and beat you up...

I met you two years ago at our villa in the Hollywood Hills.

Luke: About six months ago, I had a sabbath dinner at the home right next to your villa... A couple who belongs to my synagogue lives there.

Suzy: You've made quite a name for yourself.

Luke: Primarily by being adversarial and weird...

Suzy: Is that what you planned?

Luke: I've always had many feelings about pornography... My book is fairly objective and so is much of my website. But in my daily updates, for me to get out of bed in the morning...my updates are bizarre, throwing everything in there...fairy tales, journalism, emails, without verification... A whole melange and it confuses and upsets people. At first they came to lukeford.com for disinterested journalism, which is how I started, and then I got bored with journalism and started making things up.

Suzy: You do have to take a moment... I read a couple of things and said really! And then I realized that you were just satirizing... Really, all 67 contract girls of Vivid Video got AIDS, amazing!

Luke: It's truly adult entertainment. Adults have to use their minds to figure out what is going on on my site. It's not idiot proof, but by keeping things on an intelligent level so that anyone who reads my site regularly will require an IQ over 100.

Suzy: Satire shouldn't be idiot proof. When we did our presentation of the Porn Award to Kenneth Star, we chose someone who looked like Kenneth Star... And now when people watch it on the web, they think it is Kenneth Star.

Max, Suzy's hubby: The best part was that a lot of porn people [at the World Pornography Conference] said, how did you get Star to come down here?

Suzy: That's the sweetness of parody, to fool some people. But you've been doing more than fooling, you've been getting these people where it hurts.

I've gotten really a few threats since I announced that I would have you... Can I come over to the Speakeasy and I am going to beat him up... I said no.

Max: A couple of years ago, a religious man came in and stabbed me...

Suzy: I don't agree with a lot of your points, but I think you are a sign of the X industry having grown up that there is someone like Luke is doing what he's doing. It's a sign that the industry is being taken seriously. Don't expect this will go away. There will be more Luke Fords.

Max: And we should all be watched... And we should tell some stories and some fairy tales.

Suzy: It's a sign that the industry is coming up from underground and seeing the light. And there are people who are commenting, and commenting seriously, and not just trying to sell the videos. And spending their lives to comment...

Max: It is the Mafia. Not only in the porn industry, but also in the NY Times distribution system... Almost all distribution systems belong to the Mafia.

Luke: I think that what truly distinguishes my work is that I think that I am the only person who's devoted years of his life, fulltime, to writing on the industry, and yet is not a supporter of the industry. I think I am the only person who writes on it fulltime who is not opposed to censorship.

It is very difficult for anyone who doesn't support the industry to be around it for very long, for they will find it too appalling. Other mainstream writers will come in a for a week to do one story...

Suzy: I would recommend that you go to a proctologist Luke, to remove that stick from your butt. Though it is amusing to read your dialogues with your mom and dad and Nice Jewish Girl, all about saving you. It is quite a morality play. Will Luke become a porner or go to Jerusalem to bring peace to the Middle East.

Max: I've known several generations [of pornographers]... And in many ways, their fathers were more gentlemanly... Yeah, they killed a few people... But hey Johnson, killed hundreds of thousands of people... Pornographers killed a lot less people than [president] Johnson. What about the exploitation of a child working at McDonalds who's treated like s---. Capitalism is awful. I'm a monarchist. I'm into artisans...

Luke: I don't believe that pornography is evil or one of the ten greatest problems facing the United States... I do think on net, it is a negative. I think Hollywood, and TV and rock music are fundamentally destructive.

Suzy: This is all just electronic theater. And to say that theater is immoral is painful. I'm one of those liberal Jews. I know that you're not supposed to make a graven images, that it is idolatry, but it is also beauty... That is one of the reasons that Jews like me move away... Because it leaves out the possibility of art...And I am one of the first to admit that most pornography is not art.

Luke: I think that there are greater things in life than art. To the extent that art ennobles people, elevates people and causes them to treat each other more decently, art is good. To the extent glorifies death and separates people, then art is bad.

Suzy: The good to me is what Rabbi Hillel said, do not do unto others what you would not like them to do to you. But that is not religious, it is just ethical... Religion has inspired so much more killing than pornography.

Luke: If I had to take a sample of people whose lives were immersed in pornography, and take a sample whose lives were immersed in religion, I would expect the religious to have better family lives, more solid marriages and better relations with their children.

Max: Many porn women come from very religious backgrounds.

Luke: Religion can be done horribly just like love can be a disaster for some people. There's nothing that can't be perversed.

Suzy: I'm sick of the porn industry emphasizing anal. I believe that the industry made a deal with the police [1980] to avoid other taboo things [incest fantasies, golden showers, fisting]... OK, the one taboo thing we can do is anal, which is much more unhealthy for people than watching an incest fantasy.

Max: [Los Angeles Police Department Vice Detective] Lt. Lloyd Martin had one of the greatest child pornography collections in the world... He used to take children up to Malibu, and hang them over the cliff, and say, did somebody touch your penis? Did somebody teach your peepee? The police business is an awful business with high suicide and killing rates. A hundred times more awful than pornography.

All I've done is what this guy does, if somebody sends me an email about f---ing a dog or whatever, print it...

Suzy: Because pornography is taboo, we just don't have our best and our brightest involved.

Max: It's the only film business that doesn't use technology to fake it. Imagine if they did NYPD Blue and actually shot someone. I can duplicate anal sex with a dildo and some cameras...

Suzy to Luke: Your success is due to the internet. You can publish on your own and not spend money on paper or distribution... The internet brings together these very disparate fields, like religion and pornography, bringing it together in your website and you as a person... Before religion and pornography would only meet at protest marches.

Luke: Right. I don't deal well with authority, a boss, an editor. On my website, I can write whatever the hell I want...

Suzy: So what has it done for your sex life?

Luke: It's considerably diminished the number of sex partners and experimentation... I've grown turned off to illicit sex. I just want to get married, have kids... Since I've started writing on porn, I've only slept with about ten women (over the past four years). Though I did get some cool blowjobs after the New Times cover story, and Fox Files...

Suzy: Don't you think that sex is the essence of life?

Luke: No, but it isn't number ten either.

Suzy: Sex is the great motivator.

Luke: Yes. I work hard so that I can get some prime pussy.

Suzy: The Greeks believed that sex, eros, and death were in opposition. Some like to put them together to create eroticism.

Luke: Right, and that troubles me. I find it easier to view pornography than violent Hollywood movies. Hollywood's preoccupation with death really bothers me though there is a strand even in pornography that flirts with death. There are the forces of life and the forces of death, and we should choose life.

Suzy: I agree. And I think it is unfortunate that some of the more creative pornographers are doing the more dastardly death-oriented stuff.

Max: What do we do about those people who can only masturbate to Jesus or God?

Luke: Some people can only sexually relate to magazines or they channel their sexuality into their religion...

Max: Do you truly think that these people like Steve Hirsch are worse than the Rockefellers, who used to shoot their employees?

Luke: I'm against people shooting their employees. I don't know if Steve Hirsch is worse than John D. Rockefeller. Do I think that pornographers are more destructive than lawyers? No.

Max: I was kept out of jail by lawyers. They are the last front against the landlords, and those miserable motherf---ers who want to throw you in jail... Lawyers are like you. They mumble and jumble and confuse everything and they make it expensive for you to throw me into jail.

Suzy points to Luke while speaking to Max: He [Luke] hates the ACLU.

Max: The ACLU got my children back when I was prosecuted in Rhode Island. I've spent 18 months in prison for my work. I'm the most prosecuted publisher this century.

Luke: I'm not for jailing you Max, but when you push the boundaries...

Max: I want to push the boundaries everywhere. I want to be able to tell people that you've got five minutes and you can live as you wish... You're just a sperm and a cunt... And then you come out, and someone bangs you on the head...

Suzy: We're ethical hedonists.

Luke: I think that is a huge improvement on many of your peers.

Max: There's the hurling complex. Whenever you deal with sex, people are hurling things at you. They're hurling bricks, names... And I'm just a nice Italian boy who likes sex.

Suzy: And I'm a nice Jewish girl who likes sex. They call me a slut, a whore, a psuedo professional porn queen, and that from someone who posed naked for her lover while she was still married... Yes, Dr. Laura, I am speaking of you.

Luke: I think you guys bring it on yourselves. I don't endorse the more vitriolic language used on you...

Suzy: We do bring it on ourselves in the sense that we are poets and artists and if you're not doing something to upset some people, you're not doing much.

Max; My main job, as it is your job, is to destabilize society so that we wake up to what we have. You destabilize all these guys, writing about them in their lingerie.

Suzy: Sex and God have so much in common. They're both great passions. The passion of eroticism and the passion of mysticism. The passion to breakthrough to another side. Who do we call out to when we orgasm? God. It is a spiritual quest. Even Buttman, even though I am not on that highway... I don't view these people as immoral. They make mistakes. Buttman certainly did down in Brazil when he met that AIDS carrier.

When sexual mores upon up in societies, violent crime rates go down. When you're more forgiving on the sexual end, that makes people less pent up...

Luke: There's a statement in Judaism that the signature of God is truth. So if what you say is true, it is true and I will deal with its implications.

My instinct is to attribute America's decline in abortion and violent crime to its return to religion...

Suzy: If there was a real return to religion, Bill Clinton would've been out of there right away.

Max: Since the invention of the printing press, artists have been prosecuted. I am a wonderful pornographer and a wonderful man. I care about people and I teach them about sex. I use dicks and asses and tits and eyes and smiles... I've been prosecuted 22 times... And I am tired of it. They put us in jail... You've got the Hirsches, all those pornographers... I had a pornographer call me up the other day. I have a radical new movie. I have 17 scenes. Wow, you're really radical.

Suzy: The porn industry is very formulaic.

Max: They've taken porn away from wonderful artists like me the ability to say that it is beautiful and luscious and created by the gods...

Luke: But some of the stuff you've made is repellant.

Max: Not repellant, no, no, no... What I showed you was the underbelly of the reality of it.

Luke: Not all things should be trafficked in, like child pornography.

Max: No, no, all things should be trafficked in... We have to see the truth before we can heal our souls.

Luke: I disagree with trafficking in naked pictures of nine year old girls.

Max: Nine year old girls have been running around naked for centuries...

Suzy: It's not like you're putting a dildo up them.

Luke: I don't believe in publishing pictures of nine year old girls with their legs spread [like was published in some of Max's 1970s publications like Finger and Love].

Max: Then you don't believe in talking. When I did that many years ago, I didn't hire people. I said what is in your household? What is happening?

Luke: And people would write in with stories about having sex with three-year old kids...

Max: And you know why? Because it was happening. And unless we know what is happening and why it is happening, we can't cure it.

Luke: These were graphic and titillating stories of the joys of having sex with young children.

Max: And do you know why? Because I'm a publisher, not an editor.

Suzy: He published everything.

Max: I decided to tell the truth and to look at our society as it stands. Because if we do not understand that, we understand s---, Luke.

Suzy: Just because he published it, does not mean that he approved of it.

Max: I published dogs f---ing farmers. I published s--- eaters...

Suzy: He hasn't published any dogs f---ing farmers since we got married. But if we don't know that, we don't know s---. We don't know how to talk to each other. We just throw blame at each other.

Eversince they've made the laws stricter about child pornography, hundreds of thousands of kids have been killed... Because when the banker molests the child, and he faces the death penalty, do you know what he is going to do first? He's going to kill the child. We have to have absolute compassion.

Suzy: Do you believe in capitol punishment?

Luke: Strongly, but only for murder, not for child molestation.

Max: I want to get a hold of the children before the tobacco companies get a hold of the children. Usually we have 12 and 14 year olds who call the show. I tell them, listen, you're born, you came out of a cunt...

Suzy: We don't have sex with them, we just talk to them.

Dr. Susan Block Hosts Luke Ford

In the spring of 1997, Luke first met sex therapist Dr. Susan Block and her convert to Judaism husband Max, a legendary porn publisher from the 1970s. They then did their show from a villa in the Hollywood Hills. While I skulked in the background that evening, I thought that I would make a good guest one day. Saturday night, August 21, 1999, my day arrived.

I drove down to their building on Hope Street and passed through security inside. The former speakeasy and whorehouse, decorated with erotic art, reflects the couple's personalities. Max was a friendly host. I sparred with him and his wife Dr. Block from 11PM to 1AM while sitting in bed with Susie surrounded by dildos and other sex toys.

Dr. Block hubby Max writes: "Thanks for being on the show, your work reminds me very much of some of the early L.A. Stars I did, always kept people off balance, including the porn industry which in the seventies was virtually in the closet . I think you provide an important voice, and for sure an independent voice. Every major industry and government agency should have to answer to the people they serve ( or don't serve )."

Sex therapist Dr. Susan Block writes Luke: Thanks for being such a good guest last night. I consider the evening a great success since no disgruntled porners or producer's brothers stormed into the Speakeasy to beat you up.

Right now we're broadcasting footage from the post-show action that kicked in last night shortly after you left. It's probably a good thing you did leave, since it got pretty hot; Jolie and a sexy fashion designer named Kim, dancing topless and playing with dildos. Nothing XXX-rated, just good, clean, half-naked dionysian fun. Nevertheless, the temptation might have been too much for you, and then you'd have really disappointed NJG.

As I said, I enjoy reading your romantic, tortured, soap operatic dialogues with her. She reminds me of girls I went to Hebrew school with. I'm glad she enjoyed the show, and that I made her think of her mom, who must be a nice Jewish lady. And tell her that she needn't worry about me "coming on to you." I'm very touchy-feely with most of my guests, and I love to tease, but I'm monogamous with my wonderful, adorable "schlub" of a husband.

Anyway, Luke, I knew you'd be well-spoken, but I was pleasantly surprised that you were such an attentive listener. When I asked you why you think the crime rate has gone down in recent years, even as consumption of pornography and attendance at swing parties have gone up (as has occurred in most countries that have decriminalized sexual expression), you had to admit there might be a connection. That took integrity, and I appreciate that.

I know you wish you could attribute peace in society to religion, but I think you'll find that the statistics do not bear that out. In fact, the opposite seems to be true.

Not that I'm totally against religion, not at all. I enjoy observing many holidays, especially since Judaism encourages husbands and wives to top off their celebrations in bed. My favorite is Purim, as one of my heroines is Queen Esther, who used her powers of sexual seduction to save her people from genocide. I'd be interested in your view of Esther's story.

Max says to thank you too, and to tell NJG he's terribly sorry that she was molested by her grandfather. Since his voice and/or photo apparently brought up those awful memories, we would like to offer NJG up to three hours of free counseling here at the Institute. Peace with pleasure, Susan

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Dr. Susan Block is a revolutionary sex therapist, best-selling author, and nationally syndicated radio and TV host. A magna cum laude graduate of Yale, she holds a doctorate in philosophy. She is a pro-sex feminist, an ethical hedonist and a horny housewife.

Her latest book is The Ten Commandments of Pleasure.

Susan's approach to sex has gained her an international following. She directs The Dr. Susan Block Institute for the Erotic Arts and Sciences, which provides sex and relationship counseling.

Dr. Block is a princess by marriage. Her husband, Prince Maximillian Rudolph Leblovic di Lobkowicz di Filangieri, published such '70s sex magazines as Love, Hate, God, and Finger which helped fuel the sexual revolution. He produces Susan's cable TV shows, gives her orgasms and manages her life.

Both sides of Max's Italian family have been in publishing for centuries.

Susan and Max are Jewish and they observe, in adjusted form, some of the Jewish traditions. Susan recites prayers in fluent Hebrew. "It's so sexy," says Max.

"I used to be a bill collector until smoking my first joint in the '60s. That changed my life. I began to see people in a more compassionate light."

The Prince converted to Judaism through the University of Judaism and Rabbi Kramer in the early 1970s before marrying his first wife. The liberal rabbi also presided over the marriage of Sammy Davis Jr..

Susan and Max run a non-profit foundation dedicated to the preservation of Bonobo chimpanzees in Zaire, Africa. "They have a female-run society that's eliminated violence by redirecting frustration into sex," says Max. "If you catch your primate fooling around, you make him give you head. They also f--- their babies. They are kind and gentle animals who f--- all the time. We should learn from them."

Max and Susan counsel victims of religious abuse. "Sexuality is a critical element of the healthy life. Many religions try to suppress it. The Roman Catholic Church has to be among the most oppressive organizations... It's a terrorist organization that infiltrates government, business and the home."

In the early '80s, Max published Annie Sprinkle's first magazine - Hot s---. He was arrested for obscenity in Rhode Island and spent 18 months in jail.

"I found out during my time in jail that most rapists and murderers come from a repressive religious background. Especially mass murderers who kill hookers and women.

"Susan and I try to reach out to children. We wanna get them as young as possible. Children love to watch Susan's show. We teach them about life and sex in a loving, gentle way.

"Those nine year old hackers are going to be able to break through any codes to get onto the raunchy stuff on the internet. Do you remember the time you found daddy's dirty magazines? It's like finding the Lord. It changes your life.

"Susan's too controversial for most media to handle. She won't screen her calls [on her radio show]. If someone calls from Iowa to talk about having sex with a cow, Susan will talk to him about having safe sex with a cow.

"I'm neither for or against bestiality. It's there. We should deal with it. When your neighbors live 30 miles away, pigs begin to look attractive. There's nothing shameful about having sex with animals. Susan and I try to educate people on how to enjoy sex and engage in it responsibly.

"Children should have sex between themselves. I began playing doctor at age three. Children should be sexually educated at a young age. In more advanced societies like Italy and Europe, kids begin visiting prostitutes at age ten. And these societies have less crime and less teen pregnancy.

"I feel kinship with Jesus. He hung around with hookers. That's probably why they crucified him."

Prince Maximillian Rudolph Leblovic di Lobkowicz di Filangiere has four children from his first marriage, ranging in age from six to 29 years as well as three grandchildren. During Max's imprisonment in the early '80s, his two oldest kids became rebels and heroin addicts.

"If heroin were legal, they would've gotten over it quicker... Sugar is a much more dangerous drug than heroin. Rather than banning drugs, we should educate people on how to use them safely."

Susan and Max's friends in the porn industry include Sprinkle, Al Goldstein, Lasse Braun, Roy Karch and Nina Hartley.

Dr. Block ghostwrote Toni Grant's book Being A Woman. Susan came to Grant's attention with an essay in the LA Weekly entitled "Plight of the Post Liberated Woman." Dr. Block used the book as a foundation for her Ph.D. from Pacific Western University in Los Angeles.

Max and Susan tape their cable TV show at their villa in the Hollywood Hills. These wild Saturday night parties attract a diverse crowd - from journalists to pornographers to counseling clients of Susan's institute. After the show wraps around two am, the debauchery begins with dancing, drugs and sex, much of it taped by Max and his video crew.

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I ask rabbi Shmuley Boteach 8/3/04:

"Would you still do a Dr. Susan Block Show?"

"Umm. Susan is a Jewish woman. I naturally have an affinity with not only Jewish people, but Jewish people who are proud that they are Jewish. If you remember that show I did with Susan, she went out of her way to make me feel comfortable. She put on all her clothes. She and I have had very warm interactions since. I don't know enough about what she is doing now to comment one way or another. To the extent that I understand she has become far more explicit, the answer would be no. I like Susan, but even the Sex Week at Yale made me a bit uncomfortable. Susan was one of the speakers. There were a lot of highly respected speakers. It was Yale University after all."